The fastest path to wealth isn’t cutting back. It’s learning to earn more money. “You can only cut to zero, but you can earn infinitely,” says Travis Chappell, host of the popular daily podcast Travis Makes Money.

At an early age he began preparing for a life in ministry before building a career in sales and entrepreneurship. He talks with Chris Hill about:

• Selling homemade rubber bugs to classmates as a kid—and charging extra for upgrades

• Knocking on doors for a solar company in college, and realizing he didn’t want to stop

• Why keeping your lifestyle in check is harder than earning more money

• The big purchase that gave him no buyer’s remorse (and how much he spent on Pokémon cards)